The Dialogue of God Kabir & Dharmdas - Kabir Sagar

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Beyond Stone and Ritual: The Dialogue of Kabir Parameshwar and Seth Dharmdas Ji

Introduction

The quest for spiritual truth often begins in the familiar territory of traditional rituals, holy pilgrimages, and outer symbolisms. Yet, the deepest transformative moments occur when a seeker is challenged to look beyond physical forms toward the eternal consciousness within.

This specific dialogue is a key debate from the Kabir Sagar (Gyan Prakash section) between Zinda Baba (Kabir Parameshwar in a disguised saintly form) and Seth Dharmdas Ji (a devout follower of the traditional Vaishnava path).

In this exchange, Zinda Baba uses the verses of the Bhagavad Gita to challenge traditional ritualistic beliefs and point toward a Supreme, Unchangeable God (Param Akshar Brahm).


Zinda Baba Opens the Debate

जिन्दा बाबा (कबीर जी) वचन

हे वैष्णव! तव कौन भगवाना। काको यह गीता बखाना।।

  • Translation: "O Vaishnava! Who is your God? And who spoke this Gita to whom?"
  • Explanation: Zinda Baba asks Dharmdas to clarify his core faith and identify who he believes is the speaker and ultimate authority behind the Bhagavad Gita.

Dharmdas States the Orthodox Vaishnava Belief

धर्मदास वचन

राम कृष्ण विष्णु अवतारा। विष्णु कृष्ण है भगवान हमारा।।
श्री कृष्ण गीता बखाना। एक एक शलोक है प्रमाणा।।
जे तुम चाहो मोक्ष कराना। भक्ति करो अविनाशी भगवाना।।
विष्णु का कबहु नाश न होई। सब जगत के कर्ता सोई।।
तीर्थ वरत करूँ मन लावो। पिण्ड दान और श्राद्ध करावो।।
यह पूजा है मुक्ति मार्ग। और सब चले कुमार्ग।।

  • Translation: "Rama and Krishna are incarnations of Lord Vishnu, and Vishnu/Krishna is our Supreme God. Lord Krishna spoke the Gita, and every single verse is living proof. If you desire liberation (Moksha), worship this indestructible Lord. Vishnu never dies; He is the creator of the entire universe. Engage sincerely in pilgrimages (Tirth), fasts (Vrat), offerings to ancestors (Pind Daan), and ancestral rites (Shraddha). This practice is the true path to salvation; all other paths lead astray."
  • Explanation: Dharmdas represents the traditional Karmakanda (ritualistic) perspective. He asserts that Krishna/Vishnu is the ultimate creator who never dies, and that traditional rituals (fasting, pilgrimages, ancestral rites) are the only valid path to liberation.

Zinda Baba’s Reply Using Gita Evidence

जिन्दा बाबा (कबीर जी) वचन

जै गीता विष्णु रूप में कृष्ण सुनाया। कह कई बार मैं नाश में आया।।1।।
अविनाशी है कोई और विधाता। जो उत्तम परमात्मा कहाता।।2।।
वह ज्ञान मोकूं नाहीं। वाको पूछो संत शरणाई।।3।।
अविनाशी की शरण में जाओ। पुनि नहीं जन्म-मरण में आओ।।4।।
मैं भी इष्ट रूप ताही पूजा। अविनाशी कोई है मोते दूजा।।5।।
मम भक्ति मंत्र ओम् अकेला। वाका ओम् तत् सत् दुहेला।।6।।
मैं तोकूं पूछूं गोसांई। तेरे भगवान मरण के माहीं।।7।।
हम भक्ति वाकी चाहैं। जो नहीं जन्म-मरण में आहै।।8।।
जे तुम पास वह मंत्र होई। तो मैं पक्का चेला होई।।9।।
यही बात एक संत सुनाई। राम कृष्ण सब मरण के माहीं।।10।।
अविनाशी कोई और दाता। वाकी भक्ति मैं बताता।।11।।
वो कह में वाही लोक से आया। मैं ही हूँ वह अविगत राया।।12।।
आज तुम गीता में फरमाया। फिर तो वह संत साच कहाया।।13।।
हे वैष्णव! तुम भी धोखे माहीं। बर्था आपन जन्म नशाहीं।।14।।
जो तू चाहो भवसागर तिरणा। जा के गहो वाकी शरणा।।15।।

Verse-by-Verse Meaning:
  1. Verse 1: "If Krishna in the form of Vishnu spoke the Gita, he himself states in it that he has undergone birth and destruction multiple times." (Referencing Gita 4.5)
  2. Verse 2: "The truly Indestructible God is someone else, who is termed the Supreme Being (Uttama Purusha / Param Akshar Brahm)." (Referencing Gita 15.17)
  3. Verse 3: "The Gita speaker says: 'I do not possess complete knowledge of that Supreme Being; go seek a refuge in an Enlightened Master (Tattvadarshi Sant) to know it.'" (Referencing Gita 4.34)
  4. Verse 4: "Go take refuge in that Eternal Supreme Being, so you never fall back into the cycle of birth and death." (Referencing Gita 15.4 and 18.62)
  5. Verse 5: "The Gita speaker even says: 'I too worship Him as my Adored One; that Eternal Divine is separate from me.'" (Referencing Gita 18.64–66)
  6. Verse 6: "The mantra for my worship is OM alone (Gita 8.13), whereas the code for total liberation is OM TAT SAT (Gita 17.23)."
  7. Verse 7: "I ask you, O Master: how can your God be ultimate if he is himself subject to mortality?"
  8. Verse 8: "We seek to worship the One who is completely free from birth and death."
  9. Verse 9: "If you possessed the true secret mantra to reach Him, I would instantly become your firm disciple."
  10. Verse 10: "An Enlightened Saint once told me this exact truth: that physical incarnations pass away, but the Eternal Provider is someone else."
  11. Verse 11–12: "That Saint said, 'I have come from that Eternal Realm (Satlok); I am that unmanifest Divine Ruler Himself.'"
  12. Verse 13: "Now that you quote the Gita today, it proves that what the Saint said was completely true."
  13. Verse 14–15: "O Vaishnava! You are living in a misconception and wasting your human birth. If you truly wish to cross this ocean of worldly existence, go and take refuge in that Supreme Eternal Lord."

Core Summary of the Argument

  1. Re-evaluating Mortality vs. Immortality: Zinda Baba points out that according to the Gita itself (e.g., Chapter 4, Verse 5), the speaker undergoes birth and rebirth. Therefore, ultimate liberation requires taking refuge in the Param Akshar Brahm (Supreme Indestructible Lord) mentioned in Chapter 15, Verse 17.
  2. Critique of Ritualism: Zinda Baba argues that external rituals like Shraddha or ritualistic fasting do not provide permanent Moksha, but instead bind souls closer to the material cycle (Karmakanda).
  3. The Role of the True Master (Tattvadarshi Sant): To unlock the ultimate mantra (OM TAT SAT) and attain permanent release from rebirth, one must seek guidance from an enlightened spiritual teacher as advised in Gita 4.34.

Dharmdas Accuses Zinda Baba of Blasphemy

धर्मदास वचन

विष्णु पूर्ण परमात्मा हम जाना। जिन्द निन्दा कर हो नादाना।।
पाप शीश तोहे लागे भारी। देवी देवतन को देत हो गारि।।

Translation

  • "We have known Lord Vishnu as the complete Supreme God. O Zinda, you are being ignorant and committing blasphemy!"
  • "A heavy burden of sin will fall upon your head, as you are hurling insults at the gods and goddesses!"

Explanation:

  • Overcome with emotional resistance, Dharmdas defends his traditional beliefs. Unable to immediately counter the Gita verses cited by Zinda Baba, he reacts by accusing the ascetic of insulting the gods and committing a grave sin through criticism.

Zinda Baba Replies with Scriptural Reality & Critique of Stone Worship

जिन्दा (कबीर जी) वचन

जे यह निन्दा है भाई। यह तो तोर गीता बतलाई।।
गीता लिखा तुम मानो साचा। अमर विष्णु है कहा लिख राखा।।
तुम पत्थर को राम बताओ। लडूवन का भोग लगाओ।।
कबहु लड्डू खाया पत्थर देवा। या काजू किशमिश पिस्ता मेवा।।
पत्थर पूज पत्थर हो गए भाई। आखें देख भी मानत नाहीं।।
ऐसे गुरू मिले अन्याई। जिन मूर्ति पूजा रीत चलाई।।
इतना कह जिन्द हुए अदेखा। धर्मदास मन किया विवेका।।

Line-by-Line Translation:

  • "If you consider this to be insult or blasphemy, brother, this is only what your own Gita has stated!"
  • "Accept as true what is written in the Gita—where is it written that Vishnu is immortal?"
  • "You call a stone idol 'Rama' and offer it laddus (sweets) as a food offering."
  • "Has a stone deity ever eaten those laddus, or the cashews, raisins, pistachios, and dry fruits?"
  • "By worshipping stone, you have become rigid like stone yourself, brother; even after seeing the reality with your own eyes, you refuse to accept it."
  • "You met such unjust/misguided gurus who initiated this ritual of idol worship."
  • "Saying this much, Zinda Baba disappeared from view, leaving Dharmdas to deeply ponder in his mind."

Core Themes in This Section

  1. Scripture vs. Insult: Zinda Baba clarifies that pointing out what is written in sacred texts (like the Gita) is not "blasphemy" or "insult," but a direct reading of scripture over blind dogma.
  2. Critique of Ritualistic Idol Worship: He highlights the practical absurdity of offering physical food (laddus, dry fruits) to non-living stone statues, pointing out that inanimate idols cannot consume offerings or grant spiritual liberation (Moksha).
  3. Flaws of Unenlightened Guidance: He critiques teachers who promote rigid, ritualistic idol worship without backing from fundamental scriptural teachings (Shastra-anukul).
  4. The Turning Point: By suddenly vanishing, Zinda Baba leaves Dharmdas in state of deep self-reflection (Vivek), forcing him to re-evaluate his entire belief system.

Dharmdas’s Inner Turmoil and Realization

धर्मदास वचन

यह क्या चेटक बिता भगवन। कैसे मिटे आवा गमन।।
गीता फिर देखन लागा। वही वृतान्त आगे आगा।।
एक एक श्लोक पढ़ै और रौवै। सिर चक्रावै जागै न सोवै।।
रात पड़ी तब न आरती कीन्हा। झूठी भक्ति मैं मन दीन्हा।।
ना मारा ना जीवित छोड़ा। अधपका बना जस फोड़ा।।
यह साधु जे फिर मिल जावै। सब मानू जो कछु बतावै।।
भूल के विवाद करूं नहीं कोई। आधीनी से सब जानु सोई।।

Translation:

  • "O Lord, what kind of miracle/spell has happened to me? How can my cycle of birth and death ( आवागमन ) be destroyed?"
  • "He opened the Bhagavad Gita again and saw the exact same scriptural descriptions right before his eyes."
  • "He read verse after verse and wept; his head spun, and he could neither sleep nor rest."
  • "When night fell, he did not perform his usual ritual evening worship ( Aarti ), realizing: 'I have invested my heart in false worship!'"
  • "'This saint has left me neither dead nor alive—I am left like a half-ripe, painful boil!'"
  • "'If I ever meet this holy saint again, I will accept whatever he teaches me.'"
  • "'I will never commit the mistake of arguing again; I will humbly learn everything from him with total submission.'"

The Tragedy of the Burning Ants

उठ सवेरे भोजन लगा बनाने। लकड़ी चुल्हा बीच जलाने।।
जब लकड़ी जलकर छोटी होई। पाछलो भाग में देखा अनर्थ जोई।।
चटक-चटक कर चींटी मरि हैं। अण्डन सहित अग्न में जर हैं।।
तुरंत आग बुझाई धर्मदासा। पाप देख भए उदासा।।
ना अन्न खाऊँ न पानी पीऊँ। इतना पाप कर कैसे जीऊँ।।
कराऊँ भोजन संत कोई पावै। अपना पाप उतर सब जावै।।

Translation:

  • "Waking up in the morning, he began preparing food and lit wood inside the cooking stove."
  • "As the wood burned down short, he noticed a terrible tragedy at the rear end of the log."
  • "Ants were crackling and dying, burning in the fire along with their eggs."
  • "Dharmdas immediately extinguished the fire and sank into deep grief seeing this sin."
  • "'I shall consume neither food nor water—how can I go on living after committing such a sin?'"
  • "'If I offer a meal to a holy saint, perhaps the burden of my sin will be washed away.'"

The Miracle & Surrender at the Saint's Feet

लेकर थार चले धर्मनि नागर। वृक्ष तले बैठे सुख सागर।।
साधु भेष कोई और बनाया। धर्मदास साधु नेड़े आया।।
रूप और पहचान न पाया। थाल रखकर अर्ज लगाया।।
भोजन करो संत भोग लगाओ। मेरी इच्छा पूर्ण कराओ।।
संत कह आओ धर्मदासा। भूख लगी है मोहे खासा।।
जल का छींटा भोजन पे मारा। चींटी जीवित हुई थाली कारा।।
तब ही रूप बनाया वाही। धर्मदास देखत लज्जाई।।
कहै जिन्दा तुम महा अपराधी। मारे चीटी भोजन में रांधी।।
चरण पकड़ धर्मनि रोया। भूल में जीवन जिन्दा मैं खोया।।
जो तुम कहो मैं मानूं सबही। वाद विवाद अब नहीं करही।।
और कुछ ज्ञान अगम सुनाओ। कहां वह संत वाका भेद बताओ।।

Translation:

  • "Carrying the platter of food, Dharmdas set out and found a saint sitting beneath a tree—an ocean of bliss."
  • "The Lord had assumed a different ascetic form; Dharmdas approached him closely."
  • "Failing to recognize his form, Dharmdas placed the plate down and made his humble plea:"
  • "'Please partake of this food, O Saint, and fulfill my earnest desire.'"
  • "The Saint replied: 'Come, Dharmdas! I am indeed feeling very hungry.'"
  • "The Saint sprinkled a few drops of water over the food plate, and the burnt ants instantly came back to life on the edge of the platter!"
  • "Then he assumed his original form as Zinda Baba; Dharmdas felt deeply ashamed upon seeing him."
  • "Zinda Baba playfully said: 'You are a great sinner! You killed ants and cooked them in your food!'"
  • "Dharmdas wept as he grasped his feet, saying: 'O Zinda, I wasted my life in delusion!'"
  • "'Whatever you tell me now, I will accept entirely; I will never engage in debate again.'"
  • "'Please reveal more of this profound spiritual wisdom to me, and tell me where that Enlightened Saint resides!'"

Zinda Baba Cites Gita 9:25

जिन्द (कबीर) वचन

हे वैष्णव तुम पिण्ड भरो और श्राद्ध कराओ। गीता पाठ सदा चित लाओ।।
भूत पूजो बनोगे भूता। पितर पूजै पितर हुता।।
देव पूज देव लोक जाओ। मम पूजा से मोकूं पाओ।।
यह गीता में काल बतावै। जाकूं तुम आपन इष्ट बतावै।। (गीता 9:25)
इष्ट कह करै नहीं जैसे। सेठ जी मुक्ति पाओ कैसे।।

Translation:

  • "Zinda Baba said: O Vaishnava! You offer ancestor food ( Pind Daan ), perform ancestral rites ( Shraddha ), and recite the Gita constantly with devotion."
  • "'Those who worship ghosts become ghosts; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors ( Pitars ).'"
  • "'Those who worship demigods go to the realm of demigods; and those who worship me come unto me.'"
  • "'This rule is declared by Kaal in the Bhagavad Gita (Chapter 9, Verse 25)—the very one whom you consider your supreme deity!'"
  • "'If you do not follow even what your chosen deity prescribes in scripture, O Seth Ji, how can you ever achieve liberation ( Moksha )?'"

Core Themes & Key Takeaways

  1. Self-Introspection (Vivek): Dharmdas re-reads the Bhagavad Gita independently after Zinda Baba's departure and realizes the verses match what Zinda Baba pointed out, shattering his reliance on blind tradition.
  2. Cruelty vs. Compassion: The burning of the ants represents the inescapable burden of karma in the material world, while the miraculous revival of the ants demonstrates the divine power of the Supreme Lord over life and death.
  3. Scriptural Misalignment (Gita 9:25): Zinda Baba highlights Bhagavad Gita 9:25, which explicitly warns that worshippers of ancestral spirits (Pitars) go to the ancestral realm, worshippers of ghosts go to ghosts, and worshippers of demigods go to demigods. He points out that traditional rites like Shraddha directly conflict with the goal of attaining ultimate liberation (Moksha).

Dharmdas Admits His Ignorance & Accepts Zinda Baba

धर्मदास वचन

हम हैं भक्ति के भूखे। गुरू बताए मार्ग कभी नहीं चुके।।
हम का जाने गलत और ठीका। अब वह ज्ञान लगत है फीका।।
तोरा ज्ञान महा बल जोरा। अज्ञान अंधेरा मिटै है मोरा।।
हे जिन्दा तुम मोरे राम समाना। और विचार कुछ सुनाओ ज्ञाना।।

Translation:

  • "We are only hungry for true devotion. We simply followed the path shown by our gurus without straying."
  • "How were we to know what is right and wrong? Now that traditional ritualistic knowledge seems dull and tasteless to me."
  • "Your knowledge is immensely powerful; it has erased the darkness of my ignorance."
  • "O Zinda, you are like God ( Lord Rama ) to me! Please reveal more of this divine wisdom to me."

Zinda Baba Recounts the Story of Sage Ruchi (Markandeya Purana)

जिन्द (कबीर) वचन

मार्कण्डे एक पुराण बताई। वामें एक कथा सुनाई।।
रूची ऋषी वेद को ज्ञानी। मोक्ष मुक्ति मन में ठानी।।
मोक्ष की लगन ऐसी लगाई। न कोई आश्रम न बीवाह सगाई।।
दिन एक पितर सामने आए। उन मिल ये वचन फरमाए।।
बेटा रूची हम महा दुःख पाए। क्यों नहीं हमरे श्राद्ध कराए।।
रूची कह सुनो प्राण पियारो। मैं बेद पढ़ा और ज्ञान विचारो।।
बेद में कर्मकाण्ड अविद्या बताई। श्राद्ध करे पितर बन जाई।।
ताते मैं मोक्ष की ठानी। वेद ज्ञान सदा प्रमानी।।
पिता, अरू तीनों दादा। चारों पंडित नहीं बेद विधि अराधा।।
तातें भूत योनि पाया। अब पुत्र को आ भ्रमाया।।
कहें पितर बात तोरी सत है। वेदों में कर्मकाण्ड अविद्या कथ है।।
तुम तो मोक्ष मार्ग लागे। हम महादुःखी फिरें अभागे।।
विवाह कराओ अरू श्राद्ध कराओ। हमरा जीवन सुखी बनाओ।।
रूची कह तुम तो डूबे भवजल माहीं। अब मोहे वामें रहे धकाई।।
चतवारिस (40) वर्ष आयु बड़ेरी। अब कौन करै सगाई मेरी।।
पितर पतन करवाया आपन। लगे रूची को थापना थापन।।
विचार करो धर्मनी नागर। पीतर कहें वेद है सत्य ज्ञान सागर।।

Translation:

  • "Zinda Baba said: The Markandeya Purana contains a story illustrating this."
  • "Sage Ruchi was a scholar of the Vedas who resolved to achieve ultimate liberation ( Moksha )."
  • "So focused was he on liberation that he entered no family stage ( Grihastha ), nor got married."
  • "One day, his deceased ancestors ( Pitars ) appeared before him and said:"
  • "'O son Ruchi, we are suffering terribly! Why have you not performed ancestral rites ( Shraddha ) for us?'"
  • "Ruchi replied: 'Listen, my dear ones, I have studied the Vedas and pondered their wisdom.'"
  • "'The Vedas declare ritualism ( Karmakanda ) to be lower knowledge ( Aविद्या / Avidya ); performing Shraddha turns one into an ancestral spirit ( Pitar ).' "
  • "'Therefore, I chose the path of true salvation, holding scriptural truth as paramount.'"
  • "'My father and three grandfathers—none of the four of you worshipped according to genuine Vedic spiritual methods.'"
  • "'Because of that, you entered the realm of spirits, and now you come here to delude your son!'"
  • "The ancestors admitted: 'Your words are true; the Vedas indeed label ritualism as Aविद्या. You are on the path to liberation, while we roam in severe distress. Yet, marry and perform Shraddha to ease our state!'"
  • "Ruchi said: 'You yourselves drowned in the worldly ocean, and now you are pushing me into it! I am already 40 years old—who will marry me now?'"
  • "The ancestors ruined their own spiritual state, and then set about misleading Sage Ruchi as well."
  • "Reflect on this, Seth Dharmdas: Even the ancestors conceded that the core wisdom of the Vedas is true."

The Danger of Unscriptural Gurus & The Revelation of Sarangpani

वेद विरूद्ध आप भक्ति कराई। तातें पितर जूनी पाई।।
रूची विवाह करवाकर श्राद्ध करवाया। करा करवाया सबै नाशाया।।
यह सब काल जाल है भाई। बिन सतगुरू कोई बच है नाहीं।।
या तो बेद पुराण कहो है झूठे। या पुनि तुमरे गुरू हैं पूठे।।
शास्त्र विरूद्ध जो ज्ञान बतावै। आपन बूडै शिष डूबावै।।
डूब मरै वो ले चुलु भर पाणी। जिन्ह जाना नहीं सारंगपाणी।।

दोहा:- सारंग कहें धनुष, पाणी है हाथा। सार शब्द सारंग है और सब झूठी बाता।।
सारंगपाणी काशी आया। अपना नाम कबीर बताया।।
हम तो उनके चेले आही। गरू क्या होगा समझो भाई।।

Translation:

  • "Because people practice worship contrary to the scriptures, they end up in the ancestral life-form ( Pitar Yoni )."
  • "Sage Ruchi eventually gave in, married, and performed Shraddha, destroying all his accumulated spiritual merits."
  • "This entire trap is the snare of Kaal ( illusion/mortality ), brother; without a True Master ( Satguru ), no one can escape."
  • "Either declare the Vedas and Puranas to be false, or admit that your gurus are ignorant and misled!"
  • "Whoever teaches practices contrary to scripture drowns themselves and sinks their disciples along with them."
  • "Couplet: 'Sarang' means bow, and 'Pani' means hand. Metaphorically, 'Sarang' refers to the essence—the Supreme Word ( Saarchabd )—and all else is secondary."
  • "That Supreme Lord ( Sarangpani ) manifested in Kashi and revealed His name as Kabir."
  • "'I am merely His disciple—just imagine how glorious that Supreme Guru must be, O brother!'"

Dharmdas's Wonder and Fainting from Divine Presence

धर्मदास वचन

जिन्दा एक अचरज है मोकूं। तुर्क धर्म और वेद पुराण ज्ञान है ताकूं।।
तुम इंसान नाहीं होई। हो अजब फरिश्ता कोई।।
और ज्ञान मोहे बताओ। युगों युगों की कथा सुनाओ।।

जिन्दा (कबीर) वचन

सुनो धर्मनि सृष्टि रचना। सत्य कहूँ नहीं कल्पना।।
जब हम जगत रचना बताई। धर्मदास को अचरज अधिकाई।।

धर्मदास बचन

यह ज्ञान अजीब सुनायो। तुम को यह किन बतायो।।
कहाँ से बोलत हो ऐसी बाता। जानो तुम आप विधाता।।
विधाता तो निराकार बताया। तुम को कैसे मानु राया।।
तुम जो लोक मोहे बतायो। सृष्टि की रचना सुनायो।।
आँखों देखूं मन धरै धीरा। देखूं कहा रहत प्रभु अमर शरीरा।।
(तब हम गुप्त पुनै छिपाई। धर्मदास को मूर्छा आई।।)

Translation:

  • "Dharmdas said: 'O Zinda, I am filled with wonder! You possess the knowledge of both Islamic scripture and Hindu Vedas/Puranas.'"
  • "'You are no ordinary human; you must be an extraordinary divine angel! Please share more wisdom and tell me the cosmic history through the ages.'"
  • "Zinda Baba said: 'Listen, Dharmdas, to the secret of cosmic creation—I speak the absolute truth, not fiction.' As he revealed the story of creation, Dharmdas’s astonishment grew immensely."
  • "Dharmdas exclaimed: 'This knowledge you share is extraordinary! Who revealed this to you? You speak as if you yourself are the Creator!'"
  • "'Yet theologians describe the Creator as formless—how can I reconcile that with seeing you as a person?'"
  • "'Show me with my own eyes the eternal realm ( Satlok ) and creation you describe, so my mind may find firm faith and see where the Lord resides in His eternal body!'"
  • "(At that moment, the divine presence withdrew its hidden veil, and overwhelmed by the magnitude of the revelation, Dharmdas fell unconscious.)"

Core Themes in This Section

  1. Critique of Ritualistic Traps (Karmakanda): The story of Sage Ruchi illustrates how social and familial pressures cause seekers to abandon core spiritual wisdom in favor of ritual traditions (Shraddha), ultimately binding them back to the cycle of transmigration.
  2. Scriptural Alignment (Shastra-Anukul): Zinda Baba highlights that true worship must align with fundamental scripture. Gurus who instruct contrary to sacred texts fail to lead their followers to ultimate liberation.
  3. The Supreme Word (Sar Shabd): The text introduces the concept of Sar Shabd (the ultimate spiritual vibration/mantra) as the true key to salvation, embodied by the Supreme Creator who appeared as Sant Kabir in Kashi.
  4. The Awakening of Dharmdas: Faced with cosmic revelations about creation and the eternal realm (Satlok), Dharmdas's limited material concepts fall away, leaving him in a state of spiritual trance/fainting (Murchha).

Five Days of Anguish and the Ritual on the Sixth Day

चौपाई

दिवस पाँच जब ऐसहि बीता। निपट विकल हिय व्यापेउ चिन्ता।।
छठयें दिन अस्नान कहँ गयऊ। करि अस्नान चिंतवन कियऊ।।
पुहुप वाटिका प्रेम सोहावन। बहु शोभा सुन्दर शुठि पावन।।
तहां जाय पूजा अनुसारा। प्रतिमा देव सेव विस्तारा।।
खोलि पेटारी मूर्ति निकारी। ठाँव ठाँव धरि प्रगट पसारी।।
आनेउ तोरि पुहुप बहु भाँती। चौका विस्तार कीन्ही यहि भाँती।।
भेष छिपाय तहाँ प्रभु आये। चौका निकटहिं आसन लाये।।
धर्मदास पूजा मन लाये। निपट प्रीति अधिक चित चाये।।
मन अनुहारि ध्यान लौलावई। कहि कहि मंत्र पुहुप चढ़ावई।।
चन्दन पुष्प अच्छत कर लेही। निमित होय प्रतिमा पर देही।।
चवर डोलावहिं घण्ट बजायी। स्तुति देव की पढ़ैं चित लायी।।
करि पूजा प्रथमहि शिर नावा। डारि पेटारी मूर्ति छिपावा।।

Translation:

  • "Five days passed in this manner, filled with intense anxiety and a deeply restless heart."
  • "On the sixth day, Dharmdas went to bathe, and after bathing, he sat in deep contemplation."
  • "He went into a lovely, pure flower garden filled with immense beauty and charm."
  • "There, according to his routine, he prepared for worship and arranged the service for his deity idols."
  • "Opening his small box ( pitari ), he took out the idols and arranged them neatly in their respective places."
  • "Plucking various kinds of fresh flowers, he prepared a clean altar square ( chauka )."
  • "The Supreme Lord (Kabir Ji) arrived there in disguise and took a seat near the altar."
  • "Dharmdas focused his mind on worship, full of deep affection and earnest enthusiasm."
  • "Fixing his concentration, he chanted mantras and offered flowers to the idols."
  • "Taking sandalwood paste, flowers, and rice grains in hand, he placed them reverently upon the statues."
  • "He waved the whisk ( chawar ), rang the bell, and recited prayers of praise with full devotion."
  • "Having finished the worship, he bowed his head, placed the idols back into the box, and hid them away."

The Satguru Questions the Small Box

सतगुरू बचन

अहो सन्त यह का तुम करहूँ। पौवा सेर छटंकी धरहूँ।।
केहि कारण तुम प्रगट खिडायहु। डारि पेटारी काहे छिपायेहु।।

धर्मदास बचन

बुद्धि तुम्हार जान नहि जाई। कस अज्ञानता बोलहु भाई।।
हम ठाकुर कर सेवा कीन्हा। हम कहँ गुरू सिखावन दीन्हा।।
ता कहँ सेर छटंकी कहहूँ। पाहन रूप ना देव अनुसरहूँ।।

Translation:

  • Satguru's Words: "O Saint, what is this that you are doing? You unpack these small stone weights (ounces and grams), set them out, and then pack them away again! Why did you display them publicly, and why do you now hide them inside a box?"
  • Dharmdas's Reply: "Your intelligence is beyond comprehension—why do you speak with such ignorance, brother? I was serving my Lord ( Thakur Ji ), as instructed by my Guru. Why do you call them mere stone measures of ounces and grams? I do not view them as stones; I follow them as Divine Deities!"

The Satguru's Parable of the All-Pervading God

सतगुरू बचन

अहो संत तुम नीक सिखावा। हमरे चित यक संशय आवा।।
एक दिन हम सुनेउ पुराना। विप्रन कहे ज्ञान सुनिधाना।।
वेद वाणि तिन्ह मोहि सुनावा। प्रभु कै लीला सुनि मन भावा।।
कहे प्रभु वह अगम अपारा। अगम गहे नहि आव अकारा।।
सुनेउँ शीश प्रभुकेर अकाशा। पग पताल तेहि अपर निवाशा।।
एकै पुरूष जगत कै ईसा। अमित रूप वह लोचन अमीसा।।
सोकित पोटली माहि समाहीं। अहो सन्त यह अचरज आहीं।।
औ गुरू गम्य मैं सुना रे भाई। अहैं संग प्रभु लखौ न जाई।।
अहो सन्त मैं पूछहुँ तोहीं। बात एक जो भाषो मोहीं।।
यहि घटमहँ को बोलत आही। ज्ञानदृष्टि नहि सन्त चिन्हाही।।
जौ लगि ताहि न चीन्हहुँ भाई। पाहन पूजि मुक्ति नहिं पाई।।
कोटि कोटि जो तीर्थ नहाओ। सत्यनाम विन मुक्ति न पाओ।।
जिन सुन्दर यह साज बनाया। नाना रंग रूप उपजाया।।
ताहि न खोजहु साहु के पूता। का पाहन पूजहु अजगूता।।

Translation:

  • Satguru's Words: "O Saint, you speak well, but a doubt has arisen in my mind."
  • "'One day I heard the Puranas being recited, where learned brahmins shared sacred knowledge.'"
  • "'They recited the voice of the Vedas to me, and hearing the divine play of the Lord pleased my heart.'"
  • "'They said the Lord is unfathomable and infinite—beyond physical grasp and formless form.'"
  • "'I heard that the Lord's head reaches the heavens, His feet touch the netherworld, and His residence is far beyond.'"
  • "'He is the One Supreme Being, the Lord of the entire universe, with infinite forms and eyes.'"
  • "'How can such a cosmic Being fit inside a small bundle or box? O Saint, this is truly a great wonder!'"
  • "'Furthermore, I heard from enlightened gurus that the Lord resides right within us, yet goes unnoticed.'"
  • "'O Saint, I ask you one thing—tell me this truth:'"
  • "'Who is it that speaks within this body ( Ghat )? Without inner spiritual vision, seekers fail to recognize Him.'"
  • "'As long as you do not recognize that Inner Divine, brother, worshipping stones will never grant you liberation.'"
  • "'Even if you bathe at millions of sacred pilgrimages, you cannot achieve liberation without the True Name ( Satnam ).'"
  • "'Why do you not seek the Creator who fashioned this beautiful cosmos and brought forth all these colors and forms, O son of a merchant? Why do you worship lifeless stones in vain?'"

Dharmdas's Realization and Awe

धर्मदास सुनि चक्रित भयऊ। पूजा पाती बिसरि सब गयऊ।।
एक टक मुख जो चितवत रहाई। पलकौ सुरति ना आनौ जाई।।
प्रिय लागै सुनि ब्रह्मका ज्ञана। विनय कीन्ह बहु प्रीति प्रमाना।।

Translation:

  • "Hearing these words, Dharmdas was left utterly astonished; he completely forgot his ritual paraphernalia and offerings."
  • "He stared unblinkingly at the Saint's face, his awareness completely focused and unable to turn elsewhere."
  • "Hearing this supreme spiritual knowledge felt immensely sweet to him, and with deep affection and reverence, he made a humble plea."

Key Spiritual Insights in This Section

  1. The Paradox of the Box: Satguru Kabir uses gentle irony to point out the contradiction in traditional ritualism: theologians describe God as infinite and cosmic, yet practitioners confine symbolic idols inside tiny wooden boxes (pitari).
  2. Inner Divinity vs. Stone Worship: The text emphasizes that true divine connection happens by realizing the consciousness operating within one's own body (Ghat), rather than treating external stone idols as the ultimate reality.
  3. Liberation Through Satnam: External rituals, bathing in holy rivers (Tirth), and idol worship are portrayed as incomplete without receiving and practicing the authentic Satnam (True Name) under spiritual guidance.

Page 16–17 of Gyan Prakash (Kabir Sagar)

English translation and verse-by-verse breakdown of this section

In this exchange, Dharmdas recognizes that the wisdom he is hearing matches the teachings of the saint (Zinda Baba) who had previously vanished. Satguru Kabir (disguised as a Sadhu) explains the divine nature of the Supreme Lord who manifested as Sant Kabir in Kashi.


Dharmdas Realizes the Unity of the Teaching

धर्मदास वचन (ज्ञान प्रकाश पृष्ठ 16)

अहो साहब तब बात पियारी। चरण टेकि बहु विनय उचारी।।
अहो साहब जस तुम्ह उपदेशा। ब्रह्मज्ञान गुरू अगम संदेशा।।
छठयें दिवस साधु एक आये। प्रीय बात पुनि उनहु सुनाये।।
अगम अगाधि बात उन भाखा। कृत्रिम कला एक नहिं राखा।।
तीरथ व्रत त्रिगुण कर सेवा। पाप पुण्य वह करम करेवा।।
सो सब उन्हहि एक नहिं भावै। सबते श्रेष्ठ जो तेहि गुण गावै।।
जस तुम कहेहु बिलोई बिलोई। अस उनहूँ मोहि कहा सँजोई।।
गुप्त भये पुनि हम कहँ त्यागी। तिन्ह दरशन के हम बैरागी।।
मोरे चित अस परचै आवा। तुम्ह वै एक कीन्ह दुइ भावा।।
तुम कहाँ रहो कहो सो बाता। उन्ह साहब कहँ जानहु ताता।।
केहि प्रभु कै तुम सुमिरण करहू। कहहु बिलोइ गोइ जनि धरहू।।

Translation:

  • "Dharmdas said: 'O Master, your words are immensely dear to my heart!' He bowed at His feet and made a humble prayer."
  • "'O Master, the spiritual wisdom and divine message you impart is profound and unfathomable.'"
  • "'On the sixth day prior, a holy saint came to me and spoke equally sweet and divine truths.'"
  • "'He spoke of unfathomable, deep spiritual matters, completely free from artificial or man-made dogmas.'"
  • "'Pilgrimages, fasts, worshipping the three gunas (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva), and accumulating ritual merit/demerit—none of these pleased him at all.'"
  • "'Just as you have explained everything by churning out its core essence, he too explained it to me with equal perfection.'"
  • "'Then he suddenly disappeared, leaving me behind, and I have become deeply longing ( Bairagi ) for his sight ( Darshan ).'"
  • "'An inner conviction has dawned in my heart: You and that Saint are one and the same, appearing merely as two separate forms!'"
  • "'Tell me, where do you reside? Do you know that Supreme Master, O Dear One?'"
  • "'Which Lord do you remember and worship? Speak openly to me and hide nothing!'"

The Satguru Explains the Nature of Kabir Parameshwar

सतगुरू वचन

अहो धर्मदास तुम सन्त सयाना। देखौ तोहि में निरमल ज्ञाना।।
धर्मदास मैं उनकर सेवक। जहँहि सो भव सार पद भेवक।।
जिन कहा तुमहिं अस ज्ञाना। तिन साहेब कै मोहि सहिदाना।।
वे प्रभु सत्यलोकके वासी। आये यहि जग रहहि उदासी।।
नहिं वौ भग दुवार होइ आये। नहिं वो भग माहिं समाये।।
उनके पाँच तत्त्व तन नाहीं। इच्छा रूप सो देह नहिं आहिं।।
निःइच्छा सदा रहँहीं सोई। गुप्त रहहिं जग लखै न कोई।।
नाम कबीर सन्त कहलाये। रामानन्द को ज्ञान सुनाये।।
हिन्दू तुर्क दोउ उपदेशैं। मेटैं जीवन केर काल कलेशैं।।
माया ठगन आइ बहु बारी। रहैं अतीत माया गइ हारी।।
तिनहि पठवा मोहे तोहि पाही। निश्चय उन्ह सेवक हम आही।।
अहो सन्त जो तुम कारज चहहू। तो हमार सिखावन चित दे गहहू।।
उनकर सुमिरण जो तुम करिहौ। एकोतर सौ वंशा लै तरिहौ।।
वो प्रभु अविगत अविनाशी। दास कहाय प्रगट भे काशी।।
भाषत निरगुण ज्ञान निनारा। वेद कितेब कोइ पाव न पारा।।
तीन लोक महँ महतो काला। जीवन कहँ यम करै जंजाला।।
वे यमके सिर मर्दन हारे। उनहि गहै सो उतरै पारे।।
जहाँ वो रहहि काल तहँ नाहीं। हंसन सुखद एक यह आही।।

Translation:

  • Satguru's Words: "O Dharmdas, you are a wise seeker; I see pure spiritual understanding within you."
  • "'Dharmdas, I am the humble servant of that Supreme Lord who holds the secret key to crossing the worldly ocean.'"
  • "'I possess the direct proof and testimony of that Supreme Master who revealed this wisdom to you.'"
  • "'That Supreme Lord is the resident of Satlok (the Eternal Realm); He visits this material world while remaining detached from it.'"
  • "'He is not born through the physical womb, nor does He enter the mortal cycle of birth.'"
  • "'His divine body is not made of the five physical elements, nor is it driven by material desires.'"
  • "'He remains eternally desireless and unattached; He stays hidden in this world so that ordinary eyes cannot recognize Him.'"
  • "'He is called 'Sant Kabir'; He imparted this true wisdom to Swami Ramanand Ji.'"
  • "'He instructs both Hindus and Muslims alike, erasing the suffering caused by Kaal (mortality/time) for all living beings.'"
  • "'Worldly illusion ( Maya ) tried many times to entice Him, but He remained completely detached, and Maya lost the battle.'"
  • "'It is He who sent me to you, for I am truly His humble servant.'"
  • "'O Saint, if you wish to accomplish your true spiritual goal, accept my instruction with full concentration.'"
  • "'If you remember and worship Him, you will achieve liberation along with 101 generations of your lineage.'"
  • "'That unmanifest, indestructible Supreme Lord appeared in Kashi calling Himself a humble servant ( Das ).'"
  • "'He reveals a distinct, Nirguna spiritual knowledge whose depth neither the Vedas nor the Quran/Torah ( Kiteb ) can measure.'"
  • "'Within the three worlds, Kaal holds sway, trapping souls in the mesh of Yama (death).'"
  • "'That Supreme Lord is the conqueror over Yama's head; whoever takes His refuge crosses safely to the other shore.'"
  • "'Where He resides, Kaal cannot enter; it is a realm of absolute bliss for liberated souls ( Hansa ).'"

Dharmdas Inquires About the Sadhu's Identity

धर्मदास वचन (पृष्ठ 17)

अहो साहब बलि बलि जाऊँ। मोहिं उनके सँदेश सुनाऊँ।।
मोरे तुम उनहीं सम आही। तुम वै एक नाहिं बिलगाई।।
नाम तुम्हार काह है स्वामी। सो भाषहु प्रभु अन्तर्यामी।।

सतगुरू वचन

धर्मनि नाम साधु मम आही। सन्तन माँह हम सदा रहाही।।
साधु संगति निशिदिन मन भावै। सन्त समागम तहाँ निश्चय जावै।।
जो जिव करै साधु सेवकाई। सो जिव अति प्रिय लागै भाई।।
हमरे साहिब की ऐसन रीति। सदा करहिं सन्त समागम सो प्रीती।।
जो जिव उन्हकर दीक्षा लेहीं। साधू सेव सिखावन देहीं।।
जीव दया पर आतम पूजा। सद्गुरू भक्ति देव नहिं दूजा।।
सद्गुरू संकट मोचक आहीं। सच्चि भक्ति छुवैं यम नाहीं।।

Translation:

  • Dharmdas's Words: "O Master, I surrender myself to you! Please share His divine message with me."
  • "'To me, you are equal to Him; there is no distinction between you two! What is your name, O indwelling Lord?'"
  • Satguru's Words: "O Dharmdas, my name is simply 'Sadhu' (ascetic), and I always dwell among true holy saints."
  • "'My heart constantly delights in the company of true saints, and I always attend spiritual gatherings ( Sant Samagam ).'"
  • "'Any soul who serves holy saints becomes deeply dear to us, brother.'"
  • "'Such is the way of our Supreme Master: He loves spiritual gatherings with pure affection.'"
  • "'For souls who take initiation from Him, He instructs them in compassion for all living beings and service to saints.'"
  • "'Compassion for living beings ( Jeev Daya ), self-realization ( Par-atam Puja ), and devotion to the Satguru—there is no other deity besides this.'"
  • "'The Satguru is the true redeemer from all afflictions; Yama (death) cannot touch those who practice true devotion.'"

Core Principles in This Passage

  1. Non-Material Appearance of the Supreme Lord: Sant Kabir's body is described as non-elemental (Aprakrit / not composed of the five material elements) and free from womb-birth (Ayoni-ja).
  2. Superiority over Kaal and Yama: The text asserts that the Supreme Lord residing in Satlok is beyond the control of Kaal (time/mortality) and Yama (death), offering permanent liberation.
  3. Core Virtues of True Devotion: True worship is defined not by external stone worship or ancestral rituals, but by Jeev Daya (compassion for all living beings), Satguru Bhakti (devotion to the true master), and taking refuge in Satnam.

Pages 18–19 of Gyan Prakash (Kabir Sagar).

In this passage, Dharmdas Ji discloses details about his previous Guru (Roopdas Ji / Vithleshwar) and his practice of idol worship. Satguru Kabir Ji tests Dharmdas's resolve, instructing him to first test his existing Guru's knowledge before taking initiation (Diksha). Dharmdas then offers sweets to Kabir Ji, and Kabir Ji departs after giving His blessings.


Kabir Ji Inquires About Dharmdas's Guru

धर्मदास बचन (ज्ञान प्रकाश पृष्ठ 18)

अहो साहब तुम्ह अविगत अहहू। अमृत वचन तुम निश्चय कहहू।।
हे प्रभु पूछेऊँ बात दुइ चारा। अब मैं परिचय भेद विचारी।।
सो तो हम नहिं जानहिं स्वामी। तुम कहहु प्रभु अंतरयामी।।

सतगुरू वचन

अहो धर्मदास तुम्ह भल यह भाखो। कहो सो जो प्रतीति तुम राखो।।
अहहु निगुरा कि गुरू किहुँ भाई। तौन बात मोहि कहहु बुझाई।।

Translation:

  • Dharmdas's Words: "O Master, You are truly the unmanifest Lord! Your words are undoubtedly filled with divine nectar."
  • "'O Lord, I have asked a few questions, and now I am reflecting on this inner spiritual identity.'"
  • "'I do not know these secrets myself, O Swami. You, being the all-knowing inner dweller, please explain them to me.'"
  • Satguru's Words: "O Dharmdas, you speak well. Speak about what you truly believe."
  • "'Tell me clearly, brother—are you uninitiated ( Nigura ), or have you already adopted a Guru?'"

Dharmdas Describes His Guru Roopdas Ji and Worship Practices

धर्मदास वचन

समर्थ गुरू हमने कीन्हा। यह परिचे गुरू मोहि न दीन्हा।।
रूपदास विठलेश्वर रहहीं। तिनकर शिष्य सुनहुँ हम अहहीं।।
उन मोहिं इहे भेद समुझावा। पूजहु शालिग्राम मन भावा।।
गया गोमती काशी परागा। होइ पुण्य शुद्ध जनम अनुरागा।।
लक्ष्मी नारायण शिला कै दीन्हा। विष्णु पंजर पुनि गीता चीन्हा।।
जगन्नाथ बलभद्र सहोद्रा। पंचदेव औरो योगीन्द्रा।।
बहुतैं कही प्रमोध दृढ़ाई। विष्णुहिं सुमिरि मुक्ति होइ भाई।।
गुरू के वचन शीश पर राखा। बहुतक दिन पूजा अभिलाखा।।
तुम्हरे भेष मिले प्रभु जबते। तुम बानी प्रिय लागी तबते।।
वे गुरू तुम्हहीं सतगुरू अहहू। सारभेद मोहिं प्रभु कहहू।।
तुम्हरा दास कहाउब स्वामी। यमते छोड़ावहु अन्तरयामी।।
उनहूँ कर नाहीं निन्द करावै। अस विश्वास मोरे मन आवै।।
वह गुरू सर्गुण निर्गुण पसारा। तुमहौ यमते छोड़ावनहारा।।

Translation:

  • Dharmdas's Words: "I took a Guru whom I believed to be capable, yet he never revealed this true spiritual identity to me."
  • "'His name is Roopdas Ji of the Vithleshwar tradition; know that I am his disciple.'"
  • "'He taught me this doctrine: Worship the Shaligram stone with heartfelt devotion.'"
  • "'He spoke of pilgrimages to Gaya, Gomti, Kashi, and Prayag to earn merit and purity across births.'"
  • "'He gave me the Laxmi-Narayan stone, taught the Vishnu Panjar stotra, and explained the Gita.'"
  • "'He instructed me in the worship of Jagannath, Balbhadra, Subhadra, the Five Deities ( Panchdev ), and great yogis.'"
  • "'He firmly emphasized that by remembering Lord Vishnu alone, liberation is attained.'"
  • "'I placed my Guru's words on my head and spent many days engaged in worship with great desire.'"
  • "'However, ever since I met your holy form, O Lord, your divine words have felt immensely dear to me.'"
  • "'He is a conventional Guru, but You are the true Satguru! O Lord, reveal the ultimate secret ( Sarbhed ) to me.'"
  • "'I wish to be called your servant, O Swami. Save me from the clutches of Yama (death), O Indweller!'"
  • "'I do not wish to criticize my former Guru, but this firm conviction has taken root in my mind:'"
  • "'That Guru belongs to the realm of Sarguna and Nirguna practices, but You are the true savior who can rescue me from Yama!'"

Kabir Ji's Test — "Stepping on Two Boats"

सतगुरू वचन

सुनु धर्मनि जो तव मन इच्छा। तौ तोहिं देउँ सार पद दिच्छा।।
दो नाव पर जो होय असवारा। गिरे दरिया में न उतरे पारा।।
तुम अब निज भवन चलि जाऊ। गुरू परीक्षा जाइ कराऊ।।
अब तुम रूपदास पै जाओ। अपना संसा दूर कराओ।।
जो गुरू तुम्हैं न कहैं सँदेशा। तब हम तुम्ह कहँ देवें उपदेशा।।

Translation:

  • Satguru's Words: "Listen, Dharmdas! If it is your sincere desire, I shall grant you initiation into the ultimate state ( Sar Pad Diksha )."
  • "'However, anyone who rides two boats simultaneously falls into the river and cannot cross safely to the other shore.'"
  • "'Go back to your home now, and first test your current Guru.'"
  • "'Go to Roopdas Ji now and present your doubts to be cleared.'"
  • "'If your Guru cannot reveal this supreme divine message to you, only then shall I grant you true initiation ( Updesh ).'"

The Offering (Prasad) and Departure

धर्मदास वचन (ज्ञान प्रकाश पृष्ठ 19)

हे साहेब एक आज्ञा चाहों। दया करो कछु प्रसाद लै आवों।।

सतगुरू वचन

हे धर्मदास मोहि इच्छा नाहीं। छुधा न व्यापै सहज रहाहीं।।
सत्यनाम है मोर अधारा। भक्ति भजन सतसंग सहारा।।

धर्मदास वचन

अहो साहब जो अन्न न खाहू। तो मोरे चितकर मिटै न दाहू।।

सतगुरू वचन

तुमरी इच्छा तो ल्यावहु भाई। अन्न खायें तब हम जाई।।
धर्मदास उठि हाट सिधाये। बतासा पेड़ा रूचि लै आये।।
आनि धरेउ आगे प्रभुकेरा। विनय भाव कीन्ह बहुतेरा।।
अहो साहु अब अज्ञा देहू। गुरू पहँ जाय मैं आशिष लेहू।।

धर्मदास वचन

करि दण्डवत धर्मनि कर जोरी। अब कब सुदिन होई मोरी।।
तेहि दिन सुदिन लेखे प्रभुराई। जेहि दिन तुव पुनः दरशन पाई।।
हम कहँ निज चेरा करि जानो। सत्य कहौं निश्चय करि मानो।।
आशिष दै प्रभु चले तुरन्ता। अबिगति लीला लखे को अन्ता।।
धर्मदास चितवहिं मगु ठाढो। उपजा प्रेम हृदय अति गाढो।।

Translation:

  • Dharmdas's Words: "O Master, I request your permission! Grant your grace and allow me to bring some food offering (Prasad).'"
  • Satguru's Words: "O Dharmdas, I have no physical hunger or desire; I remain effortlessly in my natural state."
  • "'Satnam (the True Name) is my sole sustenance; devotion, prayer, and holy company (Satsang) are my support.'"
  • Dharmdas's Words: "O Master, if you do not partake of food, the burning restlessness in my heart will not vanish!"
  • Satguru's Words: "If it is your earnest wish, then bring it, brother. I shall partake before I depart."
  • Dharmdas quickly went to the market and lovingly brought back Batasa (sugar drops) and Peda (sweets).
  • He placed them reverently before the Lord and made many humble supplications.
  • [Kabir Ji remarked]: "O Merchant, now give me leave so you may go to your Guru and seek his blessing."
  • Dharmdas's Words: Dharmdas bowed down flat (Dandvat), joined his hands, and said: "When will that auspicious day arrive for me again, O Lord?"
  • "'That day alone will be counted as auspicious when I receive your holy sight (Darshan) once more.'"
  • "'Consider me your own disciple; I speak the absolute truth, please accept it as certain!'"
  • Bestowing His blessings, the Supreme Lord departed immediately. Who can fathom the limits of His unmanifest play (Avigat Leela)?
  • Dharmdas stood staring down the path as He left, deep and intense love overflowing in his heart.

Key Spiritual Takeaways

  1. Singleness of Devotion (Ek-Naukik): Kabir Ji warns against riding two boats at once. Spiritual progress requires singular conviction rather than mixing ritualistic idol worship with the path of Satnam.
  2. Testing the Guru: A seeker is encouraged to test their Guru's spiritual knowledge against ultimate truth rather than following ritual routines blindly.
  3. Beyond Physical Sustenance: Kabir Ji emphasizes that the Supreme Lord does not depend on material food (Bhog); His true sustenance is Satnam, Bhakti, and Satsang.